How about a refined, leather-clad interior, a customizable infotainment system, a 4G hotspot, and seven USB ports. oFog Lights Tahoe: The Tahoe is one of the most attractive and the biggest passenger automobiles out there, boasting a commodious and featureful cabin from the cockpit all the way to the 3rd row of seating. (Ram Heavy Duty 2500 and 3500 pickups are covered in a separate review.). Like many Dodge cars, the Ram's front end has a forward tilt, but it remains very aerodynamic. Out of state buyers are responsible for all state, county, city taxes and fees, as well as title/registration fees in the state that the vehicle will be registered. Source: New Car Test Drive Interior We rank the Ram cabin at or near the top of the class. They offer good support and plenty of room. Palmer Dodge Chrysler Jeep will help with shipping arrangements but will not be responsible in any way for claims arising from shipping damage! We are one of the top sellers of Vipers and other SRT vehicles in the country and are well versed in all makes and models. And now I cover whatever stories I want. With so many trim levels to choose from you should be able to find one that meets your requirements. If no contact is made within 24 hours we reserve the right to re-list the vehicle, sell it to the next high bidder, or sell it otherwise. The 2015 Ram 1500 is changed little over 2014 when Ram got a diesel engine and some styling details. ?Credit Application ?Directions to Dealer ?Contact Us Description *CALL MOPAR MATT AT 1-888-829-2259 (OFFICE)****CALL MOPAR MATT AT 770-342-8007 (CELL)*** YOU MUST SAY THAT YOU SAW IT ON EBAY AND ASK FOR THE EBAY MANAGER TO GET THIS PRICEYOUR EBAY MANAGER IS MOPAR MATT We are striving to be one of the largest Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram dealerships in our area. Use the highest, off-road 2, only if needed because it does generate a relatively bouncy ride. Create Professional Listings Fast and Easy. Licensed Carriers are generally insured for $3,000,000.00. Serious only, no rediculous offers, cash only. Diagnostic capability varies by model. We have priced our vehicles to do just that. We reserve the right to cancel bids for excessive negative feedback. -Buyer is responsible for transportation to our location, which includes taxi fares, rental car, etc. Power Winch Lifted Suspension 20 Inch Alloy Wheels One Key No Floormats No Books Hi, I'm Scott Texas Direct Auto is powered by you, our customer. OnStar, 1-year of Safe and Sound plan Includes Automatic Crash Notification, Automatic Notification of Air Bag Deployment, Stolen Vehicle Location Assistance, a link to all Emergency Services, Roadside Assistance, Remote Door Unlock (requires power locks), OnStar Vehicle Diagnostics, Hands-Free Calling and Remote Horn and Lights (OnStar services require vehicle electrical system (including battery), wireless service and GPS satellite signals to be available and operating for features to function properly. Seen from behind where the tires appear almost flush with the body panels, the truck looks quite trim. Wheels are 20x9 fuel with 35x12.50 Mickey Thompson Deegan 38 MT tires with about 70% tread left. The tunnel hump in the floor is just a couple of inches high yet plenty wide enough for the center rider to have both feet on the same level. Shipping & Delivery: All shipping charges are buyer's responsibility. If you are looking for a Chevy SUV then check out this guide, where we list all the available models by size. Warning tones headlamp on, key-in-ignition, driver and passenger buckle up reminder and turn signal on Windows, power with driver Express-Down (Includes front passenger Express-down when (PDD) Exterior Plus Package is ordered.) It is fully equipped with the 4x4 Drivetrain, Lift Kit, Off Road Tires, 18" Chrome Aftermarket Rims, Remote Start, Aftermarket Alarm, Z71 Trim Cloth Interior, In Dash CD Player, Backup Camera, Cruise Controls, Power Mirrors, Power Locks/Windows, Bed Liner and Rear Tow Hitch. We drove a simulated urban loop and it worked every time we stopped for a traffic signal. The Ram 1500 is a conventional full-size pickup truck, but it differs in rear suspension and powertrains from its competitors. I'm here to help! Vehicles that are older than 10 years and/or have more than 100,000 miles will be sold as miles exempt. Verify with the shipper for an Estimate Time of Arrival to be sure. Lower-line models have an iPod-size display much like the predecessor, while higher lines get a 7-inch display with more than 300 choices in the display/configuration menu. Our Vehicle description and mass quanity of photos really give our customers to be comfortable on what they are purchasing. All New Chevy SUV. Chevys smallest SUV, the Trax shares similarities with other compact models in the companys lineup. Thats the Hendrick Advantage! Source: New Car Test Drive Interior We rank the Ram cabin at or near the top of the class. Tires, P245/70R17 all-season, blackwall includes a blackwall spare tire (Requires 2WD models. GM has three new engines and Ford half-tons offer more engine choices but none has an 8-speed automatic or diesel. Diesels are better at gathering momentum than spinning tires, and from a standstill there's a moment while it builds boost before it thrusts you back in the seat. Some side mirrors stand off from the door glass, the sides are fairly flat, and the tailgate spoiler and windshield are both rounded for improved aerodynamics. The Ram 1500, considered a half-ton, can carry loads of stuff and can tow trailers similar to what the competition will, though GM and Ford have notably higher maximum trailer-weight models. What do you get for that much? Mathew Sampson 1-888-829-2259 11460 Alpharetta Highway Roswell Georgia 30076 ? In a Quad Cab 2WD we averaged 16 in town but pushed 26 on the highway if there was no breeze. The primary switch-bank at the bottom of the center dash has functions along the top (tow/haul mode, stability control, etc.) Although it has essentially the same top gear ratio as the 6-speed, the much shorter initial gears mean it can lope along on tall axle gears (3.21:1) cruising, but accelerate much better. In order to receive this pricing, we require that you have a qualified trade-in, and/or finance the full or remaining amount with one of Palmer Dodge's lenders. All vehicles are offered locally and we reserve the right to remove any listing at any time. We assume no responsibility for damages incurred after the vehicle leaves our showroom. And offering up to 4,500 lbs of towing power. A Ram will never a racecar make but it benefits the same as a racecar when weight is removed from the suspension, axles, brakes and wheels. Next, a surround-view camera system, a heads-up display, and a rear pedestrian alert system are standard. Contact Palmer Dodge Chrysler Jeep 11460 Alpharetta Highway Roswell Georgia 30076 View Map Ask for:SEAN OGRADY INTERNATIONAL:1-888-829-2280 CELL PHONE:404-375-3583 Contact: ?Contact Us Hours Mon-Sat:09:00 AM-08:00 PM EST Sunday:12:00 PM-06:00 PM EST Vehicle Review Vehicle Information ?Introduction ?Walkaround ?Driving Impression ?Interior Introduction The Ram 1500 pickup serves the half-ton pickup truck market, among the most contested in all motor vehicles. In daily driving they deliver good feel and are easy to modulate, and although they handle the truck well we'd advise trailer brakes on any trailer more than 1500 pounds (less if your state requires it, of course). Cooling systems appear up to the task, and towing mirrors are offered for pulling 102-inch-wide travel or large box trailers. We'd go for the 17-inch wheels if you want to use your truck as a truck. Title Information: Vehicles titles may be held by banks or lenders as collateral for loans. All vehicles are sold as-is unless otherwise specified. For a list of vehicles with Automatic Crash Notification visit onstar.com. All shipping arrangements are provided by Palmer Dodge Chrysler Jeep as a courtesy. Our Location is: Gene Messer Ford of Amarillo - 3400 Soncy Street, Amarillo, TX, 79119 Special eBay Bid Retraction Rules: Please read eBay's "Retracting a Bid" If you place a bid before the last 12-hour period of the auction: You may retract that bid before that last 12-hour period but only for exceptional circumstances. Some of those displays that use half-shade numbers are hard to see with polarized lenses. Copyright 2015 Auction123 - All rights reserved. First Name M.I. And to top it off, the smaller SUV even gets 25 MPG combined. Miles posted in this listing may vary slightly due to local test-driving, in-transit repairs, or road testing. We reserve the right to end the listing if the vehicle is no longer available for sale. We did it, but only on flat ground with no wind and a very steady foot. Seen from behind where the tires appear almost flush with the body panels, the truck looks quite trim. Some have a conventional lever on the column, and some a rotary PRND dial on the center dash complemented by small pushbuttons on the steering wheel for gear up/down. One interesting feature is an optional extra that allows the driver seat to vibrate in the place of a beeping noise for the lane departure warning. Antilock and stability functions are standard so all you need to do in evasive maneuvers is push on the brake pedal and steer. Common operating controls such as lights and wipers are on column-mounted stalks, with plenty of redundant controls on the wheel including stereo controls on the back side. Chevrolet has produced some of the most iconic cars and trucks in automotive history. Manufacturers warranties may still apply. Fuel economy calculations based on original manufacturer data for trim engine configuration. Transportation charges are included in the posted price. Please call or email me directly with any questions. We found we could sit in the back of a Quad Cab for 20-minute jaunts, but a six-foot passenger will be happier in a Crew Cab where rear dimensions are essentially the same as the front. In many cases there is a delay in receiving the original instruments up to 21 days from the time we pay a vehicle off. See the vehicles Owners Manual and child safety seat instructions for more safety information.) Consequently it has been driven around the block a few times and essentially just sitting in our yard. We are one of the top sellers of Vipers and other SRT vehicles in the country and are well versed in all makes and models. It levels the truck regardless of load, maintaining stability and you won't have to adjust headlight aim every time you lash up a trailer. 1992 Chevy Extended Cab Pickup. Maximum load and tow ratings among the major manufacturers change faster than mobile-device operating systems. The amount of time it takes for delivery is dependent on the carrier, but is generally 7-14 days from the date the vehicle is picked up from our facility until it is delivered to your destination. New headliner. After a long hiatus, Chevrolet brought the Blazer nameplate back in 2019. The integrated trailer brake controller works very well and is now on the center dash panel where it's easier to reach; if you plan on towing any electric-brake trailer we'd recommend it. The Ram 1500 offers an optional full air suspension, with automatic leveling, entry/exit mode for easier cab access, and variable ride heights for on- and off-highway travel. - Disclaimer +- Auction123 (a service and listing/software company) and the Seller has done his/her best to disclose the equipment/condition of this vehicle/purchase. Inspection fees if any are Buyers responsibility. Please upgrade your browser to improve your experience. Does the Suburban fall into the non-luxury category with other Chevrolet models? The base 3.6-liter V6 provides 305 horsepower and 269 pound-feet of torque, a bit healthier than Toyota's 4.0 or Ford's 3.5 and more power/less torque than GM's 4.3. Upper models may be ordered with bucket seats and a fixed center console that houses storage areas. Rides better than factory. Dealer Wholesale does not offer any type of guaranteed warranties regardless of vehicle age. With a significant trailer the standard suspension still drops down in the rear, but the extra lateral stiffness inherent in the coil/link design minimized the tail moving side to side as the trailer pushed against it. Photos. Re-shaped bumpers (for 2013) are substantial yet more wind cheating, the grilles vary from simple dark colors of base trucks, through horizontal themed Sport, to chrome mesh on top-line trucks. Many have aluminum wheels, where not standard they're optional; some have chrome plated plastic covers while others have painted inserts in different colors. Coat hooks will handle plastic hangars. WB Longhorn Vehicle Trim: Longhorn Body Type: Crew Cab Vehicle Type: Pickup Interior Color: Cattle Tan/Black Exterior Color: Brilliant Black Crystal Pearlcoat Engine Engine Description: 3L V6 24V Fuel Type: Diesel Fuel Induction: Direct Diesel Injection Valves Per Cylinder: 4 Aspiration: Turbocharged MPG Automatic City: 19 MPG Automatic Highway: 27 DriveTrain Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic Drive Train Type: 4WD 4WD Type : Part And Full-Time Driven Wheels: Four-Wheel Locking Hubs: Auto Transfer Case: Electronic Wheels Rims: Polished Aluminum Wheels Spare Rim Type: Steel Suspension Independent Suspension: Front Stabilizer Bar: Front And Rear Instrumentation Clock Compass External Temp Low Fuel Level Tachometer Trip Computer Roof and Glass Front Wipers: Variable Intermittent Privacy Glass: Deep In Car Entertainment Audio System: AM/FM/HD/Satellite Speakers: 10 Antenna Type: Fixed Seats Drivers: Multi-Level Heating Drivers Height: Power Drivers Lumbar: Power 2-Way Drivers Power: 8 Drivers Ventilated: Ventilated Passenger: Multi-Level Heating Passenger Lumbar: Power 2-Way Passenger Power: 4 Seating Capacity: 5 Front Seat Type: Bucket Upholstery: Leather Center Armrest Folding: Fold-Up Cushion Heated Convenience Cruise Control Windows: Power Windows Steering Power: Electric Power Steering Power Retractable Mirrors Steering Adjustment: Tilt-Adjustable Mirrors: Power Remote W/Tilt Down Auto Dimming Mirrors: Electrochromatic Reverse Tilt Mirror: Dual Mirrors Power Door Locks Adjustable Pedals: Power Center Console: Full With Covered Storage Cupholders: Front And Rear Door Pockets: Driver, Passenger And Rear Overhead Console: Mini Power Outlets: 3 Seatback Storage: 2 Universal Remote Transmitter Memory Features Memory Features Number of Drivers: 2 Navigation System: With Voice Activation Satellite Communication: Integrated Comfort Air Conditioning: Automatic Center Console Trim: Leather Dash Trim: Genuine Wood/Metal-Look Door Trim: Genuine Wood Mats: Vinyl/Rubber Front And Rear Reading Lights: Front Shift Knob: Leather/Metal-Look Steering Wheel Trim: Leather/Genuine Wood Vanity Mirrors: Dual Illuminated Vanity Mirrors Features Aux Transmission Cooler: HD Engine Hour Meter Running Boards Bumpers: Colored Door Reinforcement: Side-Impact Door Beam Safety Driver and Passenger Airbag Head Airbags: Curtain 1St And 2Nd Row ABS: 4-Wheel Mirrors: Turn Signal In Mirrors Anti Theft System Brake Assist: Braking Assist Stability Control Safety Locks: Manual Headlights Auto Delay: Auto Delay Off Headlights Dusksensor: Dusk Sensing Front Headrests: Manual Adjustable Engine Immobilizer Turning Circle: 45.4 Door Reinforcement: Side-Impact Door Beam Rear Headrests: 3 Rear Center Seatbelt: 3-Point Belt Side Airbag Stability Control NHTSA Passenger Grade: Good NHTSA Driver Grade: Good NHTSA Side Impact Front Grade: Excellent NHTSA Side Impact Back Grade: Excellent Towing and Hauling Trailer Hitch Doors Liftgate Window: Power Rear Door Type: Tailgate Side Door Type: Conventional Dimensions Front Head Room: 41.0 Inches Front Hip Room: 63.2 Inches Front Shoulder Room: 66.0 Inches Front Leg Room: 41.0 Inches Rear Head Room: 39.9 Inches Rear Hip Room: 63.2 Inches Rear Leg Room: 40.3 Inches Rear Shoulder Room: 65.7 Inches Length: 229.0 Inches Width: 79.4 Inches Height: 78.1 Inches Wheelbase: 140.0 Inches Ground Clearance: 9.2 Inches Max Gross Vehicle Weight: 6,900 Lbs. If a deposit is not received, and an alternate arrangement has not been made, the vehicle can and will be made available to other potential buyers on a first-come, first-served basis. Please call to find out if all or more rebates may apply to you. Honestly, looking at the lineup of Chevy SUVs by size, Id say the Blazer really doesnt have much of an identity at this point. Antilock and stability functions are standard so all you need to do in evasive maneuvers is push on the brake pedal and steer. Thank you for your interest, and I look forward to hearing from you. The Chevy SUV lineup is extensive and comprises a variety of builds. 5 Star Driver Front Crash Rating. Source: New Car Test Drive Interior We rank the Ram cabin at or near the top of the class. -Seller accepts cashiers check, certified funds, or verfied funds from known financial institutions. No allowance or set aside will be made on account of any incorrectness, imperfection, defect or damage. An electronic nine-speed transmission is fitted as standard across the board, while a 2WD and a 4WD setup is selectable. Electronic and infotainment choices include a remote CD player, navigation system, and a rear-seat DVD entertainment system. Ram's 3.0-liter V6 turbodiesel is shared with the Jeep Grand Cherokee, and in the Ram 1500 garners EPA ratings of 20/28 mpg City/Highway, higher than any other half-ton or mid-size pickup. ? If you have any questions about this or any of my other auctions please feel free to email me at [emailprotected] or can call me MOPAR MATT at 770-342-8007. Plus, I cover automotive events and museums while tracking whats real and hype in the future of transportation. A pickup box with a rectangular interior and no wheel-well intrusions, it measures 49 inches wide inside so it can accommodate a 48 sheet of building material flat on the floor. The Ram felt smooth and quiet, even on the 20-inch wheels that sing mildly at 50-60 mph. The 2015 Ram 1500 is changed little over 2014 when Ram got a diesel engine and some styling details. The Ram 1500, considered a half-ton, can carry loads of stuff and can tow trailers similar to what the competition will. Shopping is made more difficult by so-called competitive comparisons we've seen online that imply drum brakes are better than disc brakes (we disagree) or 300 horsepower is superior to 400 pound-feet of torque (ditto). Im sure it has some great options available, but purely from the perspective of overall size and interior cargo space, Id go with either the Equinox or the Traverse. Transmission, 4-speed automatic, electronically controlled with overdrive and tow/haul mode (On Crew Cab models, requires (LY2) Vortec 4.8L V8 SFI engine.) The seller shall and will make every reasonable effort to disclose any known defects associated with this vehicle at the buyer's request prior to the close of sale. oMulti-Disk CD player For questions about the TrueCar Auto Buying Service please call 1-888-878-3227. Yes. The rotary dial is not our favorite (it looks too much like a navigation system controller) but it does free some space and gives the cabin a more open feeling. The Crew Cab has a pair of AC vents mounted low in back, far from ideal but better than nothing. Safety is also a big priority for the Equinox, and Chevy is quick to tout its automatic collision avoidance system and its five-star safety rating. IF THE RESERVE IS NOT MET, WE MAY CONTACT THE HIGH BIDDER TO OFFER THE SECOND CHANCE OPTION. The RamBox has some trade-offs. The new Ram Laramie Longhorn cabin goes head-to-head with Chevy's Silverado High Country, GMC Denali, Toyota's Tundra 1794 and Ford's King Ranch in a slightly more understated way. Remember that the more options you add the less weight you can tow. Lately, the company has started to focus more on sport utility vehicles, while simultaneously moving away from sedans and hatchbacks. There are over 70+ pictures provided of the actual truck. Source: Model Reviews Introduction For 2014, Ram 1500 is available with a diesel engine, making it the first half-ton pickup to offer a modern, clean diesel engine option (though there was a light-duty diesel option offered by Dodge decades ago). If youre looking for details on interior trim options and technology, then look elsewhere, my friend. Our only complaints in off-road driving are that close-in visibility suffers from the big hood, making it harder to judge the corners through rocks or trees, and the wide A-pillar base may present its own visibility issues. A ten-speed push-button shifter is the sole output controller. 5 Star Driver Side Crash Rating. Air suspension, with all the adjustments, is available for two- and four-wheel drive but not Regular cabs. If you are not WOW'd by our selection, our financing, our pricing and our service, then we have not done our jobs -- not even close. Browse all the top Chevrolet SUVs models & filter down to the best car for you. Ram payload ratings run from 770 pounds for a loaded diesel Crew Cab 4WD to around 1930 for a 4WD Tradesman Regular Cab long bed without options: Four fisherman in a fancy 4WD Crew Cab towing a boat will have to put their coolers and tackle in the boat, not the truck. If you have any questions about this or any of my other auctions please feel free to email me at [emailprotected] or can call me SEAN O'GRADY at 404-375-3583. FAQs. On these trucks one side of the tachometer has further displays inset, and at some point you may find it information overload. In order to secure bid on vehicle, Successful bidder (BUYER) must within 24 hours of bid closing send to Seller a Deposit in the amount of 10% by major credit card, cash in person or bank certified funds. Cooling systems appear up to the task, and towing mirrors are offered for pulling 102-inch-wide travel or large box trailers. Additionally, second-row bucket seats and a power-folding third-row seat enter the Suburban at this trim. Fuel economy for the Ecodiesel V6 is an EPA-estimated 20/28 mpg City/Highway with two-wheel drive, 19/27 mpg with 4WD. Maximum load and tow ratings among the major manufacturers change faster than mobile-device operating systems. Curb Weight: 5,484 Lbs. We found the brakes work well. Basic front suspension design, steering and brake systems parallel other half-ton pickups. Martin Chevrolet is on Hawthorne Boulevard in Torrance, California. We do offer shipping to the continental U.S. We also can ship to any port for international shipping. Furthermore, before said vehicle is released for shipment to Buyer, all other Sale related and title related paperwork must be signed and returned complete to Seller. The 3.6-liter gas V6 gains the most from the 8-speed automatic. Some headlamp housings have RAM molded into the lens or background. Moving the interior walls inward results in sidewalls with much thicker sections, and in the tops of the two sides of the RamBox are two locking bins, capable of holding 120 standard 12-ounce cans on the left side (where the fuel fill is located) and 130 on the right in short box and up to 143 cans on the 6-foot, 4-inch box, or anything else of that same volume, such as dirty clothes, tools, recovery equipment, fishing tackle and so forth. It may be the best of the bunch, currently, vastly superior to the small screen on the Ford models, which is hard to read. A quick glance reveals that its more than a foot longer than the Blazer and a good 3 inches taller. Inside, the Ram offers seating for three to six people, in-floor storage on Crew Cabs, and environments that span working-grade vinyl and rubber to creamy leather with ventilated and heated seats. Even with all three rows folded up, theres still plenty of cargo space to haul everything a family could need, and when the seats go down, the truck practically becomes a pack mule. Please do not bid if you're not seriously interested or financially able to purchase this vehicle. Required $12.95 monthly subscription sold separately after 3 trial months. If you are interested in purchasing one, Few automakers have a lineup of sport utility vehicles as diverse and comprehensive as those offered by Chevrolet. Dealer not responsible for errors and omissions; all offers subject to change without notice, please confirm listings with dealer. We welcome pre-purchase onsite inspections by competent parties. New Vehicles: New vehicle pricing includes all rebates, incentives, and available financing for the Southeast region. Our only complaints in off-road driving are that close-in visibility suffers from the big hood, making it harder to judge the corners through rocks or trees, and the wide A-pillar base may present its own visibility issues. Terms & Conditions -Successful high bidder should contact CAR CAFE within 24 hours, or next business day, after the auction has ended to make arrangements to complete the transaction. For $7,000 more, every High Country comes with a standard 420 hp 6.2-liter V8 engine. -Successful high bidder should contact CAR CAFE within 24 hours, or next business day, after the auction has ended to make arrangements to complete the transaction. We drove a simulated urban loop and it worked every time we stopped for a traffic signal. Perhaps our best note about the electric-assist steering is that it felt the same as the previous hydraulic assist, something missing in many such systems, and there is no noise from it. of interior cargo space, barely more than the Equinox, which measures quite a bit shorter in length. Please include your zip code with any new vehicle inquiries. You will not be allowed to retract that bid during the last 12-hour period of the auction. Brand loyalty in pickup trucks makes sports rivalries look like civilized debate, and many will recommend only one. Trim Laramie Longhorn Crew Cab Pickup 4 Door. Our secure application is easy to complete, all you need are a few personal and employment details. We found the basic Tradesman quite impressive, not decked out like a Longhorn, but $20,000 cheaper as well. ?Credit Application ?Directions to Dealer ?Contact Us Options and Standard Features Basic Information VIN Number: 1C6RR7PM5FS744664 Stock Number: 26169 Model Year: 2015 Make: RAM Model: 1500 Style Name: 4X4 Crew Cab 140 In. 832-310-2269 [emailprotected] Financing Is Easy! 954-457-1000 LEASING AND FINANCING OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR ALL CREDIT TYPES WE'RE ALWAYS EXCITED TO HEAR FROM YOU MOST OF OUR AUCTIONS NEVER MAKE IT TO THE END THANKS TO SERIOUS BUYERS LIKE YOURSELF WHOM TAKE THE TIME TO CALL OUR VEHICLES ARE ALSO LISTED ON NUMEROUS OTHER INTERNET SITES, CLASSIFIED ADS, NEWSPAPERS, ETC. Any descriptions or representations are for identification purposes only and are not to be construed as a warranty of any type. Traverse is huge inside but drives small. This truck is super clean, no rust, the cleanest 2004 that you will find. The large rear bumper has half-round openings for the sport exhaust on trucks so equipped, and both seven- and four-pin trailer plugs are fitted adjacent to the rear license plate. Entry-level pickups long had a tendency to be penalty boxes lacking any amenity beyond a seat cushion and an ashtray (now part of a smoker pack option), but we didn't feel penalized at all in the Tradesman. 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